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Before The Epiphany · Episode 1

How to Work With Family Without Ruining the Relationship

43 min listen 4 November 2026 Hosted by Jon Simmons
With Janine Williams & Eboni Fogerty

About this episode

What happens when your business partner is also your mum?

Working with family can be one of the most rewarding things you do in business. It can also be one of the hardest. For Janine Williams and Eboni Fogerty, building The Epiphany Group together has meant learning where the family relationship ends and the business relationship begins.

In this episode, Janine and Eboni share what they have learned from building a business together as mother and daughter, while also helping other family-owned businesses navigate conflict, succession, growth and leadership. They discuss why family dynamics can follow you into the boardroom, why the next generation sometimes needs to leave before they can successfully return, and what happens when a parent has to step back and let their child take control.

They also explore how to separate family issues from business issues, why difficult conversations are essential, and how trust, respect and self-awareness can make or break a family business.

Key takeaways

01

Family and business need different rules

Family relationships bring years of history and emotion into business decisions. Clear boundaries separate what matters to the family from what is best for the business.

02

The next generation needs room to grow

Sometimes the best thing a parent can do is step back. Leaving the business can give the next generation the experience, maturity and confidence they need before returning.

03

Trust makes difficult conversations possible

Every family business faces fear, ego, control and conflict. A foundation of trust and respect lets you have those conversations without destroying the relationship.

In this episode

  1. 00:00When Sunday lunch becomes Monday’s board meeting
  2. 02:00How The Epiphany Group untangles family and business
  3. 04:30Why the family dining table can matter
  4. 06:00The role of an objective third party
  5. 08:00What happens when family dynamics enter the business
  6. 13:00Why the next generation sometimes needs to leave
  7. 18:40Why Janine and Eboni don’t have a reporting relationship
  8. 35:34When parents hold their children back
  9. 38:42When Janine will step away
  10. 40:21The biggest warning about working with family
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In this episode
Janine Williams
Janine Williams
Founder & CEO, The Epiphany Group
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Eboni Fogerty
Eboni Fogerty
Chief Operating Officer, The Epiphany Group
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Jon Simmons
Jon Simmons
Host
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