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Before The Epiphany: the leadership podcast for growing businesses

What breaks when a business grows, and what does it take to lead it to the next stage?

Before The Epiphany podcast explores the real stories behind growing businesses: the leadership, the scaling, the succession and the decisions that change everything. Founders, CEOs, executives and next-generation leaders share the challenges, breakthroughs and lessons that shaped their businesses, and the moments just before everything changed.

Hosted by Jon Simmons, with Janine Williams, Founder & CEO of The Epiphany Group.

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Episode 1 · 43 min listen · 4 November 2026

How to Work With Family Without Ruining the Relationship

What happens when your business partner is also your mum? Janine Williams and Eboni Fogerty share what they’ve learned from building The Epiphany Group together as mother and daughter: why family dynamics follow you into the boardroom, why the next generation sometimes needs to leave before they can return, and how trust makes difficult conversations possible.

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Practical, honest conversations for founders, CEOs and leadership teams, from fast-growing start-ups to established corporates. Leadership & growth episodes look at scaling, alignment and building leaders who can carry the next stage. Family business episodes look at handing over, working together and keeping the business strong through transition.

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How to Scale a Business Without Losing Its Culture

Donato D’Angola & Alex KarpouzisAzzurri Concrete

Leadership & growthOut 11 Nov
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Is It a Family Problem or a Business Problem?

Janine Williams & Eboni FogertyThe Epiphany Group

Family businessOut 18 Nov
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Is Your Business Ready to Grow?

Liam Kinna & Allanah JohnsonThe Epiphany Group

Leadership & growthOut 25 Nov

What we talk about

Every business reaches a point where what got it here won’t get it there. These are the conversations that happen just before the breakthrough, from the first hires to the boardroom.

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Leadership

Building leaders who can carry the strategy, not just the workload.

Leadership development
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Scaling a business

What breaks as you grow, and the capability you need to build next.

Business roadmap advisory
03

Strategy and alignment

Getting owners and leadership teams on the same page before the next big move.

Strategic alignment workshop
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Culture

Keeping trust, accountability and execution strong as the team grows.

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Succession and exit

Handing over, selling or stepping back without losing value or momentum.

Board advisory
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Family business

Where the family relationship ends and the business relationship begins.

The people behind the podcast

Jon Simmons, host of Before The Epiphany

Jon Simmons

Host

More than 20 years in brand strategy, storytelling and content development across media, education, government, healthcare, sustainability and professional services, helping organisations get clear on what they do, how to say it and why it matters.

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Janine Williams, Founder and CEO of The Epiphany Group

Janine Williams

Founder & CEO, The Epiphany Group

More than 25 years of executive leadership, consulting and organisational transformation across Australia, North America and Asia. Known for helping organisations move from founder dependence to scalable leadership.

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Eboni Fogerty, Chief Operating Officer of The Epiphany Group

Eboni Fogerty

Chief Operating Officer, The Epiphany Group · Guest, Episodes 1 and 3

Janine’s daughter and business partner, bringing the next-generation perspective on what it really takes to build a business with family.

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Is your business ready for its next stage?

Whether you’re scaling, aligning your leadership team, planning succession or trying to grow without everything depending on you, The Epiphany Group can help you get clear on what comes next.

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Frequently asked questions

What is Before The Epiphany about?

Before The Epiphany is a business and leadership podcast from The Epiphany Group. Each episode explores the real stories behind growing businesses, from leadership and scaling to succession and exit, with founders, CEOs, executives and next-generation leaders.

Who is the podcast for?

Founders, CEOs, executives and leadership teams, from fast-growing start-ups and mid-sized businesses to established corporates and family-owned enterprises. Anyone leading a business into its next stage.

Who hosts the podcast?

Before The Epiphany is hosted by Jon Simmons, with Janine Williams, Founder and CEO of The Epiphany Group. Each episode brings in guests, from Epiphany’s own team to the leaders of growing businesses.

How often are new episodes released?

Every week through November, two episodes in December, then a new episode every month from January. Follow on Spotify, Apple Podcasts or YouTube to hear each one as it’s released.

Where can I listen?

On Spotify, Apple Podcasts and YouTube, or right here on this page.